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Post by cheeseaholic on Sept 7, 2004 6:50:43 GMT -5
Hi Joe, I don`t have any kids, but i can imagine what you are going through. Sometimes people who share the same space Just can`t get along.... but put some distance between them, and communication improves. Sounds like if your Daughter returns, you may be inthis situation. As you said, WHY does She REALLY want to come back, when the small community life didnt suit Her before. Maybe you`re right, could it just be the boyfriend issue. I hope She takes the time to really sort out Her motive to change , before makeing any rash decissions. I agree.... an education is of uttermost importance, and I commend you both for struggleing to provide the best you can for your girls . I hope it all turns out well. As for the "Scales"..... weighing first thing in the morning before eating/drinking, seems to show the lowest weight. It then fluctuates through the day. If the stix are your guage, then go with them I haven`t tried "Carbsence" products, as we don`t have them here, but they seem to have a wide variety. Atkins will always steer you away from things like potato and popcorn, but You will have to trial and error . If you really want them, just try a bit, and see how they effect you. People on low carb plans are ALWAYS eating things that are not supposed to be a part of the diet, but they still do. I think moderation will be the key factor hear. We are supposed to loose our weight, then ease back into mainstream eating for the rest of our lives............. so i think if the MOST part of your diet is low carb, haveing the occasional potato or popcorn would be Ok. It is when we Overindulge in these foods, that causes the problems......... but if you are in control, why not? Hang in there Joe.................... things will get better, and we are ALWAYS here for you!
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Post by brickrow on Sept 7, 2004 7:34:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the note back. I probably say at least a little too much here.
I understand, from the tapes and the reading I have done, that Dr Atkins said there must be absolutely no deviation during the induction phase which can last a longer period of time for some than others. I have stayed with it since July 27th and I think I am just now trying to test to see where the edge is for me. That is what I am using the stix for. If they continue to work out for me, I will continue to and want to believe that the scale will follow accordingly. That is my hope....a somewhat reasonable eating alternative that agrees with the scale!
I am also wondering how long my kidneys can deal with the excess shown on the stix before they get upset.
So far, this eating plan, at least for me, seems to follow Dr Atkins' premise that it is something that can be adopted and followed for a long period of time and is not really a diet.
The fact that there seems to be a growing number of low carb choices out there is also heartening. Now, if they can just bring the price down!
Thanks for listening and take care. Talk to you later. Joe
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Post by cheeseaholic on Sept 7, 2004 19:54:05 GMT -5
If your kidneys were ok before the diet, should shouldn`t have a problem Low carb products are very expensive....... but there are a LOT of recipes out there to make your own items. (but a lot of people can`t be bothered). The Induction phase is for 2 weeks, but some people extend it. When you feel you are ready, start easing yourself into the next stage. PS:- Don`t worry about how much info on your private life you share with us...... we are all here to support each other in all aspects of life
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Post by brickrow on Sept 7, 2004 21:31:28 GMT -5
Hi--it is 915PM here and I am still at work--with the trusty water bottle nearby. I don't have too much extended self control so it is usually all or nothing for me. I have been able to do the Induction OK and have added a bit since, but I know I have to be careful because I will go off if the spirit moves me. I found some more low carb snacks--a wheat based one called Wheat Nuts by AnaCon Foods www.wheatnuts.com they are pretty much OK but tasted too good---further exam of the label brought up the dreaded 'sugar'-1 gram. The stuff tastes really well. I also picked up some Planters Sunflower Seeds as these have 5 grams with 2 grams of fiber for a net of 3 grams per 3/4 cup(7 grams of protein is no slouch either)...not as good as the pumpkin seeds but close. The problem with me is limiting them. Had a lot to eat again today but I think I may have it figured out--(I also was able to renew the lease on the Atkins tapes today and they are going to get me another of his in a couple of weeks. I need to memorize them and repetition is the only way I can do it). What I figure is that it may not matter how much of anything you eat as long as it is not carbs--then the body will use the energy in the fat cells to provide energy to the body. Accordingly, the stix will tell me if the fat cells are being used, and, if so, I am still in induction--or my definition of it anyway. Does that make sense? How are you doing with your carbs? I know it is tough, but most good things are. No matter what happens we all are learning a lot--or at least I think so anyway! It is truly amazing that the body can react to glucose/sugar as fast as it can and then take action. Truly amazing. While at the store I even checked out the carbs in the different brands of popcorn....can't really touch it. My dentist will be happier too! That bread I made without all the ingredients, you know, it does not taste too awfully bad! I was able to slice a bit of it and toast it then added the customary butter. It tastes similar to one of those wheat muffins...not like plain bread and I am so white bread plain! Anyway, I am running off.....I hope your day is fine. It is now 1030 PM here. Back to work. Good Night. Joe
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Post by cheeseaholic on Sept 8, 2004 6:10:19 GMT -5
It`s great that the library is getting in more tapes for you . Your version of Low Carb induction is working for you Joe, so keep at it. I know what you mean about the nuts and seeds........ very moreish I checked out the wheat Nuts....... they seem low in carbs We are all learning, each and every day.... Some days I battle with my carbs, and other days are a breeze. I think it is the same for everyone though. You take the good with the bad. The human body really IS a truely magnificant machine............one that the scientists try desperately to replicate. Well your bread was missing a few things, but if it`s still ediable ...BONUS! Have a great "Low Carb" Day! ;D
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Post by stephie on Sept 8, 2004 13:44:42 GMT -5
I agree with Dawn too Joe, it sounds like you are really finding your way with your low carb lifestyle. That is great !! You have to find a way to make it work for you, and no two people are the same, which makes it so much harder to figure out . I have had the wheat nuts before years ago, they are very good !!! I did not know they were fairly low in carbs,that is great !! Have a great day !!! Stephie
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Post by brickrow on Sept 8, 2004 16:11:30 GMT -5
Well, the Doc called today(actually he returned my call and left the following blood test info on voice mail(the 'was' was from a blood test taken on June 1st(low/no fat since Feb 22nd and, unfortunately, cholesterol lowering medication since then too. The 'now' was Sept 1st and under 20 carbs/day since July 22nd):
HDL-was 30 now 38, LDL- was 73 now 69, Total Cholesterol was 115, now 123 Tri Glycerides was 86 now 79
It appears things are getting better. He had to 'up' the synthroid meds--I think because of advancing years---and that may play a part. He wants to redo it in three months(he wants to buy a new car, so the more visits the better!)
I think the best news is that things did not get worse with the serious change in fat intake....although the long time I was on no/low fat coupled with the short time I was doing low carb may not make the readings valid ....but, things did not get worse.
Today I talked to my Dental Hygienist who is aware of Atkins protocol which she follows--somewhat(can't do that) and she told me of the serious cholesterol problems her aunt got into with low carb. Of course no one knows all the details, but she mentioned some really high and dangerous numbers.
I am pretty satisfied and will keep it going until the stix thing and the weight think kinda get in sync with each other.
Dawn, I know I mentioned that would post the results as I have been anxiously awaiting.
Whew!
Bacon and eggs and low carb bread for breakfast and hamburger for dinner---no lunch--not hungry, so I just had coffee..
Later and thanks for listening.
Joe
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Post by cheeseaholic on Sept 8, 2004 23:55:11 GMT -5
Thanks for shareing your results Joe Great news that Low carbing hasn`t had a bad effect on you. Helps keep the mind at ease I had to laugh at the Doc visits, to fund His new car ;D Different diet/medication mixes effect people in different ways. You hear that people doing Low carb, eventually ween off medications and their blood group improves drastically, but as you said...... without all the details, who Knows what happened to your Dental Hygenists Aunt I know My diabetic sister lost over 20lbs in the 2 months she was low carbing, but had to stop due to a pre-existing liver complaint. (which she was unaware of at the time). I`m on the verge of diabetes, and all the medical complaints that are associated with it, due to excessive weight, but if I get the weight off, I can fight off the on-set. THIS is what I am working towards. I`m also still (like everyone else) trying to adapt low carbing to suit me personally, allowing me to continue. I`m thinking maybe a weekly "Reward Meal" of what-ever I like, will help keep me on track. I know there will be times I wont actually WANT this RM, but it will be there if I want I`ve made some bad food choices the past couple of days....... but i`m determined to beat it Try not to drink black coffee instead of meals........ that is what I was doing, then late one night I was So Hungry, I ate something i shouldnt have .... NOW, even if I just have a boiled egg, I am going to eat SOMETHING, so it doen`t happen again. That`s the thing with low carbing.......... you don`t have that constant appetite, so we all must be careful! Dawn
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Post by brickrow on Sept 9, 2004 5:32:34 GMT -5
Dawn That Diabetes thing is something to worry about for sure. My Dad, since passed away about 10 years ago(boy, time sure flies by), was diagnosed as having maturity onset diabetes and began to take medication for it daily. He was told that if he lost a minimal amount of weight the pills may not be necessary. Dad was about my height--6 feet--and I would guess had 40 or 50 pounds more than he should have. Well, I recall him seriously dieting and got to the point where the medication was not needed! Of course he put the weight back on and continued/restarted the medication. He lived a long time after that finally succumbing to surprising heart problems. I never gave diabetes much thought but remember my mom saying that there are very few diseases worse than it. I have a few customers(brothers and sisters) who have a serious diabetes problem in the families. They have it rough and have had serious things happen to them because of the constant care the disease needs. There is no fooling around with it so, if there is a chance you might have tendencies to go that way, please do whatever it takes to avoid it. Listening and reading and talking about low carbing brings me very close to thinking it is something all need to know about as it seems that low carbing is very close to a diabetic's diet. I have also had my eyes opened to the power of insulin and what it does to the body. I am still trying to decide how far I am going to go with this low carb thing, but, I think I can keep with it for quite a while. While at a customer's home last night, she looked at the dieting sites I have on my web page and asked that I add www.suzannesomers.com to it as she had been following that diet for q number of years(4 or 5). I gave it a quick look and will go back and look closer. The lady likes the food mixtures but she lives alone and that makes a lot of things easier. Still, it is something to look at. Well, it is 630AM on the first day of school for my 13 year old 9th grader, so I am off to see how things are going. Take Care Joe
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Post by cheeseaholic on Sept 9, 2004 8:29:06 GMT -5
Hi Joe, I agree whole heartedly about diabetes. One of My sister`s (44 yrs) has diabetes, and due to it, has liver and nerve damage . One of my brothers` (50 yrs) has recently been diagnosed. They both now wear glasses. Diabetes can cause some really serious issues, so i am determined to minimise my chances of getting it. I DO check my blood glucose with that finger pricking machine, and so far so good. Some diabetic specialist push a low carb diet, and others push a low fat diet I had a look at Somersizing....... it is not what I thought it would be at all. I was expecting it to be a more relaxed version of low carbing, but it is "food Combining". I lost weight food combining 14 years ago. I might have a look around, and refresh my memory. From what I remember, you eat fruit on its own, preferabley in the morning....... you eat carbs with vegies (No fat or protein) and you eat fat & protein with non starchy vegies (NO Carbs). This is how Demis Rousos lost all his weight years ago. I DO have His book. Might dig it out and have a read. I remember all the hype at the time, He was saying he eats a whole roasted chook to Himself etc, and lost His weight. I think the main thing for this diet, is to find the recipes to keep you inspired. When I was food combining, I was also doing it "Low Calorie".... only haveing 200 calories per meal so only a meansly 600 cals per day . I was excersising like crazy, and walking for miles each night. I kept up this rediculous regime for 6 weeks (no cheating) and lost 84 pounds in 6 weeks. This of course left me ill, as it was WAY too low in calories. Food combining is not supposed to be calorie restrictive, but at 23 yrs old, I was very silly! I LOVE checking out other plans, and always have. It`s just a pity i didnt stick to any of them...LOL, as they ALL work, if you stick to it. Hope your 13 year old had a great 1st day in the 9th grade
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Post by brickrow on Sept 9, 2004 9:01:05 GMT -5
Yes the lady mentioned eating things like fruit separately. I just think it has to be a hard thing to follow unless you are living alone...which, sometimes has its benefits!
For me, if there are a lot of rules, I probably will fail. That is why it is better for me to stay on induction!!
BTW, more food yesterday and last night and the stix, for the first time are on the lower side of the middle of the scale. I need to keep track and see if the idea of more carbs=lower readings continue to work for me. If so, I can live with it.
I hope the first day was OK too..."no pictures, Daddy" were the last words!!
Later Joe
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Post by cheeseaholic on Sept 9, 2004 22:26:58 GMT -5
hahahaha..... "No Pictures" ;D......... don`t make a fuss....... You`re right, food combining can be a bit restrictive, but people loose on it. Like any other diet, you will loose if you can stick to it. It`s great that the stix are still working for you, providing a guide for the carbs. If it`s working, stick with it I only lost 0.6 lb this past week. Better than putting on, considering I had a few GREAT eating days, then a few terrible ones. I`m just so happy that my week didnt show a weight increase.... but I was pre-pared for one. Have to do MUCH better this week!
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Post by brickrow on Sept 9, 2004 22:52:53 GMT -5
Keep your chin up....you are correct...even a little loss is better than any gain!
The little one did ok in school and I did not push the picture thing.....she will regret not having a picture of her first high school day..
Ate a bunch today but no carbs after supper time....we will see tomorrow morning.
I just received notification that a posting occurred--at aobut 1130 PM ---posting time says 1030PM....what time did you post it? Different time zones, but how much apart are we.
I am tired...computer repair sore eyes tonight...
Tomorrow. Joe
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Post by cheeseaholic on Sept 10, 2004 3:28:56 GMT -5
No stressing going on here Joe Was releived i didnt gain. You are right......... it is only when you get older, that you wish you had more photos of major events in life, like the first day of High School, but what can you do............TEENAGERS! LOL Your eyes must be square after a busy day at work ;D I think we are between 14 and 17 hours ahead of you here, depending on Where you are. This forum says 3.22am, and I am 6.22pm (Fri Night). Trying to work t all out will make you dizzy. Just know that in the morning, your time, it is That night, my time You have days of eating more or less......... at least you had a cut off point for your carbs. A bit of flexability doesn`t hurt. Hope you wake up with rested eyes
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Post by brickrow on Sept 11, 2004 8:37:33 GMT -5
well, I am surprised! I had not realized the value of large quantities of water...until I made a conscious effort, beginning two days ago, drinking lots of it...probably close to 100 ounces a day.
Stephie had mentioned early on that the more water you drink the more weight you lose....well, by God, she was on target!
I have lost more in the last two days, while still eating a 'lot', than I had in the previous 2 weeks! This morning I weighed in at 5 to 6 pounds below my target weight!!
The stix remain in the center of the scale.
It is just hard to believe.
Finally, the most noticeable place of weight loss(to me) has been in the waist line...and I mean FINALLY!
I purchased two new belts a couple of weeks ago and bought them fitting in the center hole....yesterday and today they are on the last hole! That is finally what I have been waiting for.
I had to post this as it is very hard to both believe and understand...but who cares about understanding it all?
Thanks for letting me share. Joe
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