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Post by brickrow on Sept 5, 2004 8:49:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the note back.
Life is valuable and I guess all do not feel the same way--too bad, especially so when kids are involved.
This South Beach thing....I dunno. I hate to switch again-carb counting is easier than calorie counting. I find it easier to just have almost nothing rather than hate to deal with numbers. I can deal with nothing too.
If you have some info on the SB and could email it I would both appreciate and look it over .... and probably have some questions for you too.
Email is on the web page or joe@brickrow.net.
This morning, the scale is just about at its lowest point and I am happy with where it is. If I could only move the extra waist settlement around I would be happier!
I really find the lack of rules with the Atkins idea to be workable....the exceptions are some grief but not a serious problem--so far.
The stix have seemed to settle on the middle color which, while not at the extreme they were at, still I think, indicate I remain in ketosis, which I assume means that I am still within the induction carb count each day.
I would appreciate the info on SB.
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Post by cheeseaholic on Sept 5, 2004 10:17:44 GMT -5
Hi Joe, If the stix are showing ANY change, you are still in ketosis You don`t have to switch to South Beach, I just thought it may suit you better. I will email you what I have, and you can decide what`s best for you. I`ll email you the info now ;D
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Post by brickrow on Sept 5, 2004 17:05:47 GMT -5
Thanks. When I receive the info I will look it over and let you know. Is it an all or nothing thing or can it be combined with Atkins? Right now I am just not eating the carbs--no diet plan or nothing! However, the idea of opening up the pantry a bit seems inviting.
I take it that when one is not in ketosis, the stix do not change at all? If that is the case, it seems like they could be the determining factor as to whether more carbs can be ingested before weight gain could set in. I would think that the slightest change would be the 'place' to be as it would indicate one is still burning fat cells but almost to the point where it would stop.
Thanks for the time. Joe
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Post by stephie on Sept 5, 2004 20:06:56 GMT -5
If you are drinking a lot of water, or burning more through your breath, you could still be in ketosis and show up negitive on the sticks. From what I have been told, it is kinda like women who go through thier entire pregnancy and never test positive on a pregnancy test, it can happen, it is even more possible to not show ketosis when you are in it. The very best time to test is in the morning when you first get up when you have not drank a lot. If despite everything you just cannot get it to show and you know your carb intake is low, I would just say you are one of those folks who burn the ketones through other ways and it does not show in your urine. Use measuring and weight to judge if you are doing well. I know that it is frustrating, you want those sticks to work, they frustrate me too sometimes. I just drink way too much weak diet tea for them to work, so I have given up on them. The way I understand ongoing weight loss is to add five carbs a week until you see yourself stop losing and then adjust it down to where you are losing again, I do not know for sure, as I tend to stay within induction limits and have never done the ongoing weight loss phase. I am just too afraid to try it. I may after I get below 200, but until then, I want to be as strict as I can to get this weight off finally !!! Stephie
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Post by brickrow on Sept 5, 2004 20:30:53 GMT -5
showing up on the stix has not been a problem....in fact, now that I see movement down a bit and, at the same time I am eating a bit more carbs, it is heartening to see that there may be a relationship between the two and I may use the stix as a 'regulator' of sorts.
I found some low net carb macaroni, cereal and other items at the local GNC store today....might be worthwhile as long as I still have good credit! This stuff is expensive. Hopefully it will go mainstream soon.
I am also at this time waiting for the 3rd batch of low carb bread to complete. This time I left out the sugar and substituted some of the ingredients a bit as I am out of a couple. Time will tell.
Take Care and good to hear from Texas. Joe
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Post by cheeseaholic on Sept 5, 2004 21:24:32 GMT -5
Hi Joe..... If you decide to try SB, it is not incorperated with Atkins. They are different. Atkins:- encourages to eat more Fat and full fat dairy. SB:- cuts the fat off lean meats and has LOW fat dairy. Atkins :- you have to weigh allowed vegies for carb counts. SB:- Allowed vegies are unlimited. Atkins:- Does not allow Milk/Yoghurt really (although some still have it). SB:- Allows 2 cups daily of Low fat milk/yoghurt. Atkins:- revolves around carb counts. SB:- revolves around the Glycemic Index. If you eat HIGH fatty foods on SB... it will NOT work. If you eat Unlimited Vegies on Atkins, You might consume too many carbs. A lot of us are always keeping up to speed with different Plans, and may try them from time to time..... it just depends on the individual. I KNOW that on SB, with allowing wholegrain bread etc, It will trigger me to eat more.... but YOU already eat breads etc with control. It doesn`t hurt to check it out, but do whichever plan suits YOU the best {But don`t combine BOTH plans}... this is the mistake of people, trying to do a "Low Fat" version of Atkins......... on Atkins, you NEED the fats for it to work effectively. All this diet stuff can get a bit overwhelming, can`t it . As Stephie said, don`t rely SOLELY on those stixs...... different things will effect their readings, but it doesn`t mean you are not in ketosis. On another note, I have been watching the News on Florida...... devestating for those people..... especially with the possibility of yet ANOTHER hurricane hitting. How is your Daughter doing? PS:- How your bread turns out great! ;D
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Post by brickrow on Sept 5, 2004 21:46:09 GMT -5
News from daughter in Florida--'really windy dad, nothing like we have ever seen. I have just seen snowstorms but not wind and rain like this. This is really something." Gotta give her credit--I think there are a bunch of kids together partying through the thing!
here, I just ate a two egg omelet with some deli sliced ham and salami fried in butter. Some salad greens with oil and vinegar with some peppers and tomatoes I fried together yesterday...along with half a glass of low carb milk. I am stuffed. Tomorrow morning I will check out the stix and see if it remains positive.
By the sounds of your description of the SB I may just read about it. I really am anticipating the MDs blood work report on Tues or Wed. Then I can decide what I did and may need to do.
I kind of like not putting a calorie limit each day and I have not done it either! The weight has not gone up and that is what I am looking for.
I appreciate the conversations here as it/they are helpful along with a means of sharing and a learning.
Joe
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Post by brickrow on Sept 5, 2004 22:19:52 GMT -5
BTW--the bread smells great but it looks a little hurtin'..leaving out/substituting some of the ingredients may have not been too good to do. However, it started at 700PM and it is now 1113--good thing I am not starving!!!
I will let you know how it turns out...one thing besides looks....it is a lot smaller!!
Joe. BTW, your email got stuck in the 'filtered mail' folder!I happened to check and found it there! This spam stuff is stifling the email network. Thanks. I will read it before going to bed
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Post by cheeseaholic on Sept 6, 2004 0:30:50 GMT -5
it`s great that your Daughter and her friends are OK........ These forums are great for shareing info........ I know that I couldn`t have kept going without them. There are always tips and hints and suggestions to help us all move forward to our goals. Leaveing out the "Sugar or sugar substitue" in your bread could be the problem as I think the Yeast needsit, to do it`s stuff. Not sure of what exactly, but i`m sure I have read it before somewhere. I know what you mean about waiting......... my bread machine also takes HOURS to cook it.
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Post by stephie on Sept 6, 2004 19:59:40 GMT -5
Dawn is correct about South Beach versus Atkins. They are kinda opposit although they have the same goal of reducining insulin production, but each in thier own way. If you love the whole grain breads and do not mind the low fat dairy, it could very well be the ticket for you. Like Dawn I found it caused me cravings and the wheat seems to affect me negitively now, so as long as you do not have that problem, it might be a great fit for you !! I would most definately check it out. The key to life long success on this way of eating is to find what works best for you. It is not as much work then. For me and my hubby, we are very very strict, but when we want a treat, like tonight, we eat what ever we want but keep it within the hour , usually less than that and we do not eat the rest of the evening. It took us two years to find out what works the best for us. I hope so much you do not have to go through that. Investigate all your options and try them out and find what is best for you. Having this support is wonderful. I could not do it without my low carb friends on the boards. The support and encouragement are priceless to me. You know you have all of our support and we will help you all we can to find out what is best for you. I think you are doing pretty good though, it sure sounds like things are going pretty good for you the way you are doing them. Stephie
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Post by brickrow on Sept 6, 2004 20:41:43 GMT -5
Hi Well, I think I am going to keep doing what I am doing--unless the blood test results say something else is in order.
Today, I had my wife, who eats everything, check out the stix so I can understand what is happening with them/me. Naturally, no change for her. So, now, today, I purchased some 3 net carb macaroni, had about 1 cup with sauce from the garden tomatoes, a couple of links of sausage, a 6 ounce glass of the 'regular whole milk' low carb variety--for supper. For breakfast, i had two eggs scrambled with cheese and a couple of slices of ham..with a glass of the milk.
All day, two cups of coffee and a little while ago, one of those Quaker-Q-Smart Snack bars.
I also had a good portion of garden salad with oil and wine vinegar--romaine lettuce, cucumber slices and three or four chunks of tomato.
Tonight, the one bottle of ultra very little carb beer will not be had as will not the pumpkin seeds. I may have a glass of water with some pork rinds.
If I am still changing the stix tomorrow and not show a weight gain, then all is good.
While it sounds like a lot, I don't think I am much over the 20 net carbs, which I have stayed under since July 22nd.
Still, no matter what, that stomach......
Florida daughter called and, while things are OK in Florida now, she thinks she wants to transfer back home to finish school......homesick for boyfriend! That boy/girl thing is apparently a pretty strong thing! Now, one more 'discussion' to have!!
What do you guys think of the eats and plan above?
Thanks Joe
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Post by cheeseaholic on Sept 6, 2004 20:52:35 GMT -5
If your plan is working for you Joe, and keeping you happy, then Go For It! I know that too many "products" (pasta, milk, bars) effect my weight loss, but if they are not effecting you, then continue with what you are doing...and adjust accordingly . I can`t really comment on the products,as we don`t have then here in Australia.... but I know a lot of people buy them Can`t wait to hear how the blood work reports.. Would you be happier if Florida Daughter returns, rather than continue where she is?
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Post by brickrow on Sept 6, 2004 21:05:12 GMT -5
I forgot... The low carb bread I made last night without the sugar--the outer crust is now OK but the thing just does not look too awfully appetizing and has a little aftertaste--I think it is just different....but usable. However, I ran out of the wheat gluten and, while in the market, I found a box of Carb Sense Wheat Bread Mix----supposedly(per slice) total carbs--7 grams, Dietary Fiber-4 grams and 0 sugar for a net of 3 grams per slice. Also has 9 grams of protein. I bought it at $5.79 for the 12 ounce box. I will check out their web site www.carbsense.com for other items. Once I find something that is workable, I will move on to the popcorn/potato/chip issues.........which will be much harder I am sure. Anyone done the Carb Sense stuff? Joe
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Post by stephie on Sept 6, 2004 21:36:40 GMT -5
Hey, I agree, if it is working and you are happy, it is a good thing. If it ain't broke, why fix it !!! That is the key and it looks like you have learned what you can and can't have to get the results you want, that is great !!! Stephie
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Post by brickrow on Sept 6, 2004 21:37:21 GMT -5
Thanks for picking up on the daughter dilemna....honestly, I don't know. This is not a really happy household anyway, and, of the three daughters here, she is the one I/we can least get along with. Don't get me wrong, she is a nice girl---except to her mom and, mostly her dad. She is pretty, bright, honery and a go-getter and I love her to death. But, as they say, it doesn't mean I like her all the time.
I am not sure how I feel. Tampa Florida is a very large urban city...her class is 9,700 kids. We are from a very small town(pop 8000) and our high school graduates about 150 per year, so it is a mighty leap and she had problems last year with the urban life, both on and off campus. I fear for her but we did not deny her the choice of schools to attend. I do not want her to quit but am worried about her safety. She has no car there and that makes it difficult for her but takes a lot of worrying away from us.
We are not well to do--I am 59 years old and need to keep selling, working on computers and selling my Internet service to keep this 2 college/1 private high school thing going. My wife works just about full time too, so any reduction in tuition would certainly help, but.....we really believe in the value of education.
Safety is the most important thing and the university she is at stresses safety so, right away, I sensed a problem.
The lousy weather so far this year overshadows(at least in a kids mind) the super winter weather of south Florida.
I dunno.
I detailed by meals today so others could tell me if it all sounds like it is in line with Atkins/no/low carb thinking. I really have only the stix to gauge what is happening on a daily basis, and, like I mentioned earlier today, if the stix show some change each day, then I am still in the induction phase and can add some more carbs(5 or 10) next week and see what happens. I will not deal with the scale too much as it is varying 1-2 pounds but has gotten as low as 2 pounds below my target and sometimes at the target(morning weight). The evening weight is about 2-3-4 pounds above the target. The constant during the night traveling reduces that!!
The Atkins tapes only go so far, so this board and the experience it brings certainly helps. Now, if only you could tell me what to do to popcorn.....and potatoes......
Take Care and Thanks for being (t)here.
Joe
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